The Presence last edited by DC did not have to transition to a complete new continuity (New 52) unrelated to the previous one (Post-Crisis) since a recton can always occur in the current already existing continuity, but this is clearly not what happened for DC following the Flashpoint event which lead to a discontinuity with: a relaunch of main titles, new origins of "all" characters, disregarding of Pre-Flashpoint events, setting up a new cosmology, and the list goes on. He does not even support that: ''Presence=Source=Overvoid'' Most of his arguments about the presence are from DeMatteis, not Morrison. Here it is an unknown entity or force beyond the Monitors, multiversal creators, and is probably also where their powers originate from. In addition to what was said previously, you show a cognitive dissonance in terms of understanding, as the statement "God's Unconscious" does not refer directly to God, but to the figure that reflects this aspect. U are the only person in this thread having mental breakdowns Im not reallly even replying to the majority of ur gibberish u legit tried to use Twitter and retcon scans as evidence to support ur shit theory and that shit had me rollin. Telepathy: The ability to read minds of others. This edit will also create new pages on Comic Vine for: Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other Many characters have travelled to there are on the crossovers are canon according to Morrison. DK Vine Forum > Non-Donkey Kong Universe > Non-DKU Rare Discussion. His nature is pretty clear to me, honestly. I dont recall the presence having aspects in DC, tho he can if he wanted. I disagree, go cry about it. From the Presence came the first being, Volthoom. If so, what realm would they be in? "I think you're taking the positionof Destiny on the map a little too literally. Spectre said the presence was missing, and that he might learn something from the source in dc cosmology. Vertigo=\=DC mainstream unless stated otherwise. Also, did anyone give an answer to whether the Imps would be above/in/below the Sphere of Gods or not? If a Fifth Imp can die, yes, maybe we can place them on the same level of existence as the Sphere fo Gods, but that also debatable, I will search more information on them to see where they would place exactly. The implications of this the dude is hella yes pun intended powerful. Where pralaya is said to be a new character introduced as well as others. I dont need to prove it was metaphoric because the being pralaya was directly compared to is visually absent. So-called "recton" turned out be rectoned by DC with Convergence and Hypertime in later years of New 52. Although his power is virtually unparalleled, he rarely interferes in the affairs of mortals directly, instead acting through agents and aspects of himself, such as The Spectre. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/the-presence-dc-2268361/?page=1#js-message-25928988. Me, Rijehu, Etriel and Sungsam have adressed that thousand times. This will always be in progress and growing. What claims have I made that are baseless? So, in actuality ur description of me in ur prev posts poor understanding , baseless claims , mental breakdowns is actually describing urself. Additionally, where would this place their creations in regards to one another? The aspects, are the Presence's aspects. 5/10 Spider-Verse Is An Example Of Influential Fan Service. Not just the abrahamic god. I have been trying to find this on Twitter but I haven't having any luck. Try again. Enhancement of Fire In the presence of the sun. The titans brothers almost becoming yahweh by affecting the collective unconscious, presence himself said he was shaped by external forces, final crisis/n52/rebirth/multiversity shows realms external to the sphere of gods, and the endless saying they are nothing and gods are nothing if not for the dreamers(collective belief) shaping them. For more information on this matter from secondary sources: https://insidepulse.com/2015/07/26/dc-comics-post-convergence-new-infinite-multi-multiverse-just-how-vast-is-the-dc-you-spoilers-dan-didio-grant-morrison-speak/, https://comicbook.com/news/decoding-convergence-with-jeff-king-the-finale/. Nextly your right lucifer left destinys book he escaped his role in things he is his own free man he beat the basanos. Comic Vine users. Pralaya is a n52 deity, she has like one showing that was described in a metaphorical way but factually stated to predate god. Irrelevant ,as it is not what has been disscused. Mobius not only outperformed presence in coie but his performance showed that he too predates the presence, making the claim that everyone is an aspect of him baseless. @au_141: Well I misinterpreted some things earlier because I was tired and sleepy so instead of adressing the other debaters again and again, I will just post a single post after after gathering some more evidence. More than 180 bird species have been spotted, with about 100 present on a regular basis. Don't read too much into it.". Since she created the multiverse what would be her relationship to the Endless? She is the end all, be all personification of the concept in DC comics. For others, it is unnecessary repetition. I did read it correctly, Michael asked Hughes about the actual Multiversity Map, and used the drawings of the earlier version of the map (the image in the actual thread) as a basis for his question. Why you don't show me Destiny of the Endless on the Multiversity first? And the Spectre was looking for and talking about the Presence in the scan. Make up your mind before I post my reply which will give you a third blackout, forcing you to switch accounts once again. Please cite me where anyone said that the endless are limited to the sphere of gods, because residing in a realm does not mean you're limited to it. Confusing, isn' it? Theyr'e not actually in that very position, at that very size.". Monitor supporters definetely did a good job! Morpheus, mr.mxy, anti-monitor, and pralayas narration agree with my view on the presence as I dont see anything relevant on ur side stating otherwise debunking their narratives. Who will win in a fight between The Presence & Elaine Belloc and Yog-Sothoth? But other than that it's really not been explored. And the void is God's unconscious/the sleep of Brahma (sleep and unconscious are the same thing; which is how I understood that Brahma and the Presence are the same) as she called it. I already showed the narrative stating that even the presence would fall to her, this act of denial on top of ur misconduct further paints u as the guy whose all bent. Mobius who is far below dr.Manhattan, showed us he operates on a higher scale cosmologically than the presence( a sphere god) and again showing the same thing in a Scott snyder's run where an imp named Mr.mxy( was inside the sphere) believes the most powerful of all in DC's omniverse are monitors who reside in the sixth dimension beyond any religious based realms. And as it seems you are unaware of, Destiny is the oldest of the Endless and stated to be a side-effect of the Presence Creation in Mike Carey's Lucifer, which follows up the events of the Neil Gaiman Sandman story. N52 is a retcon cosmology( dr.fates run doesnt matter since it technically never happened so Its ignored) if ur asking for proof that alone tells me theres multiple storylines that u skipped. See also: All-Flash/Covers and The Flash: The Fastest Man Alive/Covers Variant Covers: The Flash (Volume 1) Variant Covers The Flash (Volume 2) Variant Covers The Flash . I'm the paid agent of the Triune Godhead, the King of Heaven. Is he just Nil Monitor among others? New Gods have absolute no relation to the Angels, or Demons, or none of The Presence's creation, yet they are said to be platonic ideas (primal and fundamental forms of the world, transcendent of reality). Ur really bad at using examples to debunk me and strengthen ur bs, u used spectre(wrath of god) as an example to say that pralaya is also a servant of god. I never changed my mind, and u never debunked a single thing I said lol. on 09/09/22 I. But with either of these conclusions, it seems that the Gods and everything above them must be unique to each of these creations which seems confusing so maybe I have made a mistake somewhere. Monitor supporters definetely did a good job! Character I don't think you read your scans. Here is Grant Morrison, another writer of DC's view on it: Grant Morrison says that in his cosmology The Source is the same entity as his God (who is not the Presence, it's a being called Monitor Mind or Overvoid). To go along with my other list, I present to you a collection of characters who predate the New 52 and appear within it. You've been outplayed by your own logic. https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/Doctor-Fate-1988/Issue-6?id=22111. The Source. I don't even need you to the bring the evidence of this headcanon, as the same Neil Gaiman Sandman story you'are using contradicts this, unsprinsignly as I'm used to with all your claims, by establishing clearly that the words written on Destiny's first page of his book were: Quite explicit concerning the anteriority of the Presence in relation to the Dream. DC's Lucifer was first introduced in the pages of Sandman before starring in his own comic series that inspired the hit TV adaptation. When it's appeared in person, the Presence has appeared as an aging gentleman wearing a bowler hat, dark suit, umbrella and with a grey mustache. Editor: Julius Schw. Rama k = ruler of the golden city which is a dimension apart from heaven, shown in n52. Elle est diffuse depuis le 5 mai 2022 1 aux tats-Unis sur la plateforme de vido la demande Paramount+, et en . Register Sign in. You can bring all your headcanon with you after getting a second mental breakdown by reading this post, debunking the rest of your attempts. 2022 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. He is the Son Dax Novu/Mandrakk yet he also seems to be one of the monitors from Countdodn. Not sure what feat you are talking about thought. @sagathelegend: Thats I thought. Elaine, Michael, Lucifer have talked to the real presence(not an aspect) multiple times in Careys run, and spectre got killed by the spear of destiny while presence was still alive. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll said user has to go on twitter lol, fish for retcon scans. In other words, cherry-pick things going in the same sense as your DC's heacanon, noted. Here it is cited as the creator of the DC Universe. It starts off badly with a fallacious point, since the mention of a character in a speech does not mean that said character has to be directly involved in the comic. PS tried the same thing and Presence almost had a temper tantrum. Ma. Which leads to the irrefutable conclusion that we are only reading self-contained stories part of a whole regarding the same figure. ur presence got retcon in N52 by someone more powerful, cope sum more. As for the thread itself, evidence were already provided at the beginning, and you were satisfied by those responses even though they only put forth the fact that the Presence is only a depiction of the God from the Old Testament. 4th scan: Assume without any evidence that the Presence exists in the Sphere of the Gods, in addition contradicting Grant Morrison's view on the Presence as DC's God coexsiting with the Source and the Overvoid. Cosmic Awareness: The Presence also know all of different realities and dimensions that exists. This isn't supposed to be Destiny of the Endless and he is only supposed to be metaphorically there. U of all ppl know the diff between a retcon and a reboot, but u decided to play stupid saying their the same to suit ur narrative, which is evidence ull take/use anything to further ur delusions. 2022 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. Omnipresence: Being everywhere and nowhere in existence at once. Every religion has their own diety. sources is a misuse of the word. Character 211. "My view on the Presence" he said, when when it is based on misinterpretation. Mobius killing concepts beyond Yahwehs imagination(omniscience) further strengthens my stance there are cosmologies in DC comics beyond presences operations. He is omnipotent and can do anything. If I were u, I would study the definitions of a couple words before misusing them again so it would save me time from having to explain u the diff between for ex; retcon and reboot . Also, my argument is that if you want to dispute position based upon ignoring placement in the actual refined map, then we can do that for any of the beings there, not just Destiny. I'm using DC canons, you are using your DC headcanon. Not knowing the difference between a reboot and retcon; the difference between Morpheus and Daniel; the anteriorirty between the Endless with Destiny as the oldest one; and I have left out a few. Ahh I just farted. Perhaps the biggest question is whether being a "lower" level of the Orrery means you necessarily less important than someone above? Quatre petites tortues la base trs ordinaires se perdent accidentellement dans les gouts de New York et entrent en contact avec un liquide appel mutagne. View full history. Paras/Parasect Appreciator: QUOTE(Mametchi @ Jul 9 2015, 02:34 PM) Hey guys, I'll be at Comic Con on Saturday (What a lame day to go, heh) So, well, are those posters still gonna be on . Doctor Light is a bipartite character comprising supervillain Arthur Light and superhero Jacob Finlay, appearing in comic books published by DC Comics.. His stint as Doctor Light is concurrent with that of a superheroine using the same name and a nearly identical costume, Kimiyo Hoshi. Both were referenced which is why I mentioned both the refined version as well as the actual completed mapand nothing about the position of Destiny has changed since he is still at the top in the current map. Using the term "baseless" for something that can be found in primary, secondary, etc. @y3kthunder: Destiny is above the countdown Monitors. It is simple as that. It is like another user here said, different writers have different views about what The Souce is, but I can do a rundown on the similarities and compare it to The Presence, The Souce: Primal concept, entity, or force, it is related to the New Gods and devoid of any religious themes surrounding it. The thing is, read the map, Destiny is not only above the Monitor Sphere but also above Limbo, Nil and the Freaking Source Wall. Nah, travelling to the Source does not necessarily translate to power if Brainiac was able to travel to the edge of it and perceive more of its nature than Lucifer did. Bruh He went from zero to a hundred real quick all because John Constantine tried to invade heaven. That holds all things you have the destinys realm which is the peak of existence. Now . @galaxium: I only see a scan of Lucifer talking about vertigos Brahma. Much of the series also revolves around the Presence vacating its own creation and Lucifer subtly guiding its replacement Elaine Belloc to take its place. He was called the Presence a number of times in Vertigo runs where he's also called Yahweh, "They'll defend the throne and the Presence". Spoilers: You can't. At that moment, my attributes hit a high . And no, I won't go away. Cope harder. The Presence/the Source do not fall under the category of "Creator/Demiurge figure" for the simple reason that that they are not the subordinates of anyone ontogically/hierachly speaking, unlike Michael, Synnar, Perpetua, etc. . It would have been more than alarming if you didn't know that comics are a collective effort of writers, duh. Do you know the definition of crossover still? Above everything is pretty vague, since the DC Creation ends at Limbo. Have a hard times to deal with this fact. I have also heard the Lucy is not bound by Destiny so what would this indicate about his power? The same goes for the Presence. I made a vow long ago that whenever I am asked who I would like to see on Taskmaster I would answer Adam Buxton. The Infernal Machine (15) Twenty-five years ago, Bruce Cogburn (Guy Pearce) was an award-winning author for his best-selling debut novel The Infernal Machine. Hence this is the reason why even the Creator is considered an aspect of the Presence by DeMatteis in a secondary source when questionned on this same storyline revolving around Pralaya. Have a nice weekend, ta ta. Reality warping: The Presence capable of warping and controlling all of reality\. You are having trouble following what was said before or you don't have the reference that DeMatteis responded positively that Pralaya is indeed an aspect of Presence on his Twitter about it, hence the use of the term secondary source because he was responding to a question related to his work in another media. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, The Presence beyond Understanding and the Mahapralaya, "Geoff Johns Talks Big Changes and Spoilers From DC Universe: Rebirth". Here you even him yourself: ExactlyDESTINY. Don't mix my posts with your recycled and worthless points. So, ur the only one making shit up going off record on Twitter, mixing comics that got retcon, to describe a character older than the presence, as his aspect <~~~~ headcanon . So the Presence supposedly "death" in one story is meaningless when it comes to such figures, as it is only one story besides others in which Lucifer's rebellion agaisnt God happens, I would even say has to happen. A reboot is a memorable act, nobody knows when theyve been retcon. Created the DC . This particular belief system is as well findable in the DC's Universe, in the fourth scan about Brahma and throughout DeMatteis works, of course. La substance les fait grandir autant en taille qu'en intelligence. I've read some nonsense, but you are clearly the one who stands out from the rest. You are making him have a relevance he doesn't have. the presence has been just yahweh for over 30+ years, he is no other character. I know Death of the New Gods showed Infinity Man killing Black Racer so that seems to indicate that this opinion is definitive. See you with your second, even third, forth, fifth accounts in few hours. The Spectre serves The Presence and wields incredible cosmic power, however, he is constantly at risk of being corrupted by the power. In his hand, lied the White Lantern, which he used to bestow light upon the void. You can decipher from these scans that Brahma is an aspect of the Presence just like Yahweh: And the statement about the Presence being only Yahweh is wrong even without that; as he is also the Monitor-Mind/Overvoid. Yes, his influence on his recording book might end there at best. He was looking for the aspects of the Presence in the other pantheons. I am talking sbout Current Canon here, I am using the facts. I'll add that you don't know the difference between an interaction and an fight as well. And that's just one example. The thing is, the map also says that the Source and The Overvoid are two different beings. Understanding this, and yet it is necessary to have the faculties to understand in the first place, the Presence not being directly portray in this storyline make sense, given it is Pralaya who embodies this aspect of "God's Unconscious". I'll wait. @au_141: There the same, The presence=The source=The voice but the other questions require intensive study. @au_141: That scan is fake, I and a couple more debaters already have searched everywhere on twitter and could not find it, not even the retweets that should be there. If so, does this mean that the Mar Novu we see here is neccesarily incomplete? Metron said the same thing talking to chronicler( omniversal being) that the beliefs of humanity is what shapes sphere gods. All that nonsense ends. An according to that story he has infact went beyond the source into the void beyond. Star TrekUn nouveau monde trange. If the image conflicts with the description (surprise, in the case of Destiny it does) then you can argue that. 15. En 1912, Arthur Conan Doyle est un auteur clbre et il entend prouver une nouvelle fois qu'il est un auteur complet et non pas simplement le pre de Sherlock Holmes.Son nouveau roman, qui parait en feuilleton dans le Strand Magazine, s'intitule Le Monde perdu et met en scne un groupe d'explorateurs britanniques dans la rgion des Guyane, au sud du Venezuela en pleine . ago. - BUT the problem is, Destiny is still at the top even in the refined map. There is not a single being above her regarding her title. New Gods are platonic, fundamental and primal forms: So unless you can prove The Black Racer is an aspect of Death (you can't , because he is platonic, meaning he is an fundamental form of the world, and because the New Gods have zero relation to the Endless). Scoria was able to built a place tapping into the mind of God. Throughout the history of DC Comics, The Presence has undergone different forms. Nice attempts to twist the context. Althought in all honesty, The Source is more of a storytelling device than anything. See also: Flash Comics/Covers for #1-104. The monitor brothers yes their true form would reside in thw 6th dimension with there mother above the imps. Lol, he is only talking about the drawn part of the map, there s written and detailed summary right next to the map that you are still ignoring completely because it says the Endless are below the Monitor Sphere. are mentioned. First things first, I can reply to anyone involved in this thread, especially when they are making baseless claims, which is still the case here. OT there is evidence that theyre the same when spectre first met it he didn't know what the source was probably because he isn't omniscient but he had heard of it either way when he first went to it he states he sensed Michaels power in it then he asked the source the mystery of god an the source showed him the mystery an spectre became one with the universe. Also Death is bad example, since she is not even the ultimate incarnation of Death in the DC universe. Even more so when reading the next post you've made, contradicting yourself. This is important, since Morrison wrote The Multiversity series, which explains the nature of DC's multiverse, and he also wrote the draft for DC's official cosmology map. . But u however will always be in denial, using anything, even if its not relevant, to support ur theory, and i can see no amount of copium is going to ease ur cv psyche knowing there are better theories so u bash on others that makes more sense than yours. N52 isnt a reboot, its a retcon. Powers and Abilities Omnipotence: Being All-Powerful and possesses unlimited almighty power above. his mind was even put in hell by a minor demon named scoria. MOUNT ROYAL BIODIVERSITY The mountain is home to thousands of types of insects, plus 700 species of plants and 90 species of trees. Yes, that would make sense. In the Presence of Mine Enemies: 7 Years a POW in Hanoi (Comic) 1973 on Amazon.com. The character debuted in More Fun Comics #52 (February 1940), and was created by Jerry Siegel and Bernard Baily . Also, our place is From initial planting, a vine takes small, a boutique winery. Presence would slap the Source, Source is overrated doesnt even scale beyond True Darkseid. However, in dc comics Rama K is the highest being in that pantheon dimensionally transcending all angels. So if u affect the collective unconscious, u also affect the presence. The last final issues were about the Spectre, rather, Jim Corrigan confronting God, who was depicted as Francisco Goya Saturn, since this was the way Jim Corrigan viewed God untill the outcome of their confrontation, in which Jim thought he literally managed to kill God. Provide a single scan of who this would be superior incarnation is. Death in Books of Magic claims the entirety of the Multiverse in the future, including "Fate" if you want to argue that. I dont need to prove it was metaphoric because the being pralaya was directly compared to is visually absent. Pralaya cant be the presences aspect if shes older. This seems to make sense given if can be shown that the death comes to the Black Racer. One of the main interests for me in Civil War is What if DC did Civil War? Silly reasoning of yours. Perpetua lies in the realm of the Sixth Dimension, beyond imagination and the realm of impossibility itself. Is he drawn with them all the time thought :)? So vertigo kali, Michael and lucifer would fall under that deity based on canon. You're not understanding me. Well, that is not me saying it, it is the artist of the comic saying it, that was his way of making this representation of Fate different. He isn't literslly up there. This also means that the God that exists in the Sphere of Gods is just a manifestation, avatar, or aspect of the Presence. The written part is still here, it is not there for no reason. He rarely adressed the Morrison scan at all. Product Type Clear All Product Types ; Books (90,340) Magazines & Periodicals (393) Comics (12) Sheet Music (14) Art, Prints & Posters (46) . Anyway, a lot of cases can be made to refute the so-called "death" of the Presence, so I won't overwhelm this thread with long elaborations when the story has already done so. he said that destiny oversees even the monitor sphere which does this no correlate with this image? I suppose that's possible but according to monitors fans it all hypertime lanes that separate them hope this helps yeah, Is the Book of Destiny the same as the Book of Infinite Pages (As shown in Final Crisis?). You can search for You can provide one by editing this article. The Presence. JB__username 21 hr. DeMatt literally wrote in the front cover that he wanted to try something new and make changes to Vertigos/DCs continuity by creating new characters(nick Necro, pralaya) introduced in the N52/rebirth cosmology. So, yes, both storylines can be used to make a point despite the continuity gap at the time of their respective publication, which is an irrelevant case when it comes to DC, acknowledging every publication to date. Religion/brahma is younger than perpetua, so no presence is not monitor mind. @hellsing_: lol what? I posted a scan of blight blocking out the presence in humanitys heart, humanity beliefs = collective unconscious, which perpetua created. This seems to make sense, but it is still somewhat confusing. Thankfully, I'll be able to go after not being sure if I could . One of the more influential examples of fan service in Marvel Comics, "Spider-Verse" is a seven-issue storyline by Dan Slott and Olivier Coipel. In any case, there are other explicit evidences, but I don't need to substantiate it further by using agaisnt you the same source you are using. Especially since it's a blatant misunderstanding to consider that "the Creator" in DeMatteis works refer to the Supreme Being, as DeMatteis beliefs are heavily Hindu influced, which he adheres to the school of thought that everything, including the Creator (Brahma), is an aspect of the Supreme Being (Brahman).. The reason for this is because the true form of the Presence is the Source. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. @kuuzo a guy is telling me that the presence isnt the supreme being of dc and that he literally died via this. I would've wasted a lot more time otherwise. For some, it is a new lease on life. (April 2017) . MFWolfe: Jun 28 2015, 12:19 PM. Other evidence is when chronos stole some of the presences power he sensed the godwave expanding inside which is commonly associated with the source an in another story fate states he can sense the story in heaven. I doubt that you even read both storylines to even reach this conclusion. Clear Advanced Options. Many times the Source is also equated to the Source Wall, which is also widly inconsistent and varies in position and functions to fit whatever purpose the writer wants it to have, but it is consistently represented as the edge of all creation. Your point was that Death appearing in other multiverses makes her beyond the DC Multiverse, when I've showed other characters have appeared, so that isn't the case. I can wait for the end of the world before you come up with anything even remotely substantial. Theyr'e not actually in that very position, at that very size.". In short, Yggdrasil >presence as well, so again Im not sure why u posted more ammunition to my point of presence(sphere god) operating on a lower scale. For those that believe that Destiny's reach is beyond the Sphere of Gods, what would be evidence that those stories contain the history of the Monitor Sphere or above? I would rather say that you are the only person lacking everything to even engage a disscusion on matters which it seems clear that you have not even read any comics or touched the cover. @kuuzo: I dont use off record chitchats to come up with theories that contradict the actual comics. And in addition to self-contradict your claim that the Presence existence is related to the Sphere of the Gods, when he is the one that enabled such places to even exist by providing to Perpetua the means to create the Multiverse on his behalf. The narration called pralaya older than the creator, and the multiverse is infinite. Keep ducking, infinite frontier is a rebooted cosmology u tried to be slick saying its the same as a retcon one when its not. The last piece of evidence making the Presence the depiction of the Abrahamic God is, however, an indirect one, which can be logically deduced from the fact that Dream of the Endless is a figure who has asserted to be under the Muslim God and Christian God in different instances as shown the scans below. When we eat this Bread and drink from the Cup we enter into communion with his Body and Blood. Another distinction you can't tell has been added to the list. You would have to prove Destiny is far superior to the other Endless (which one of them is powerless against the influence of a Monitor's realm) and that Destiny contains all those strutuctures outside creation on his book, which would make no sense. as in Aristophanes' comic travesty of fashionable intellectualism where the character Unjust Argument advocates complete licence . This statement is worthless without any proper context, especially in DC in which there is a clear distincion between the Creator/Demiurge and the Supreme Being, without even having to use DeMatteis works that it has been this way. 6 / 35.3%. Lucifer Morningstar is the original . The Presence is the creator of the Council of Eternity [28], a circle of ancient wizards based out of the Rock of Eternity that oversaw and defended the ancient world, judging the guilty for their sins until they were betrayed and wiped out by Teth-Adam. He also said the Jla Dark project was a group effort and not just 1 dude writing stories. I don't want a quote you can take out of context. By ordinary means the beings of the Orrey can't access other dimensional and conceptual realms like the Sphere of Gods or the Sixth Dimension normally. Too bad that the conclusion is supported by nothing, but let's pretend it's the case for argument's sake. U have been doing exactly that reading ur last reply talking about irrelevant shit im not going to merit with a response. send you an email once approved. Ur issue is ur mixing cosmology. Loki est une srie tlvise amricaine cre par Michael Waldron diffuse partir du 9 juin 2021 sur la plateforme de streaming Disney+.Il s'agit de la troisime srie de l'univers cinmatographique Marvel sur cette plateforme. send you an email once approved. A-1: Noun: Strong's Number: g4383: Greek: prosopon: Presence: See FACE, No . GOOGLE is your friend. While we never see him do battle we know that given he created all that exists his power level must be above the rest of the characters. and that it was clearly the intent of the author to depicts Pralaya as an aspect of God. Not one correction. The Presence is the creator of the Council of Eternity and stated himself that he was everywhere. He is first seen in More Fun Comics #52 that bloomed in the year 1940. I dont see any relations between the pantheons other than Being neighboring dimensions. No matter the context. So you tell me where this "Fate" character is in Multiversity. Have fallen for a thousand tales' end. By true here, I mean Morrisons interpretation of the New Gods in FC before the New 52. Regarding the remaining missing evidence, the Presence has been indentified as the "Triune Godhead" by Lucifer, still in Mike Carey's Lucifer works ("Sandman Presents: Lucifer"). If he hadn't had any influence on the Monitor Sphere AT ALL, Roughes wouldn't have said that Destiny is up there and recording everything. As I said before, you cherry-pick everything consistent with your DC headcanon. Monitors who are external to the sphere, exist regardless of the seven fundamental energies being present or not. I posted a scan of blight blocking out the presence in humanitys heart, humanity beliefs = collective unconscious, which perpetua created. I think they're supposed to be separate entities IIRC. It was found on limbo and has no direct relation to Destiny. 03:15PM If I am correct, this implies there is only one Sphere of Gods despite there being multiple multiverses. U are just sum random fishing for retcon scans from diff cosmologys mixing comics to describe a being as the presences aspect. Also he is only talking abiut Destiny comparing it to a sea creature, that says nothing about the positions of. - Destiny of the Endless is Destiny, literally and metaphorically. In the same way as "God's Wrath/Vengeance" does not refer directly to the Presence, but to Eclipso and the Spectre when such names(?) . Comic Vine users. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll 3rd claim: "Shaped" as figure who pre-existed before any belief/dream/imagination by being one with the Void. Do you have some kind of self-conflicting dialogue with yourself? Scale the characters to EVERY THING IN DC AND MARVEL KNOWN. Religion/brahma is younger than perpetua, so no presence is not monitor mind. That would explain why there are so much different versions of the Source Wall. Meaning everyone inside DC comics N52 was altered without knowledge, yes even the presence(sphere god). With the unexpected arrival of the woman's boyfriend, the dark spirit's haunting grows more obsessive. We have definitly hit the bottom by explaining something that is common sense, but I think we'll dig even deeper. Which is proof I was right about u the first time, ur clearly bent on something. Searching Browse AD FREE for less than 84 a month with an SHDb membership. If he hadn't had any influence on the Monitor Sphere at all, Roughes wouldn't have said that Destiny is up there and recording everything. Lucifer Morningstar & Gabriel Hornblower True God omnipotent or presence hahaha you are look like a funny show who is omnipotent in dc is still a question but according to me omnipotent is leviathan of stories not this fodder god or true God presence and Gabriel killed presence I said it multiple times and also Gabriel defeated Lucifer in Lucifer comic dark presence is the biggest fodder . Enter the URL for the tweet you want to embed. A vine coiled around its neck, another vine held onto its face, and a third vine ran from my arm to the Guardian. @au_141:No they are ot supposed to the the same at least not in Current Canon, they are two unrelated entities.This is showcased even in the Lucifer series, when for example, Lucifer, who had a hand in making all of The Presence's creation, has no idea of what the Source is and couldn't ever perceive its true nature: In Kirby's New Gods series where the Source was first introduced, we see it as a mysterious and primal force, strongly connected to the New Gods and their powers, it has none of the religious themes and ideas that surround the Presence. Also, the following materials may be helpful for clarifying Death's relationship to beings like the Black Racer. That's just more fuel to the fire. because pralaya a n52 character was said to predate god. People just want to make the Presence the most powerful so they lump everything together and call them "one and the same" as an easy way out. Kali is a hindu goddess, and she's an aspect of Michael. Story adaptation, art and cover by Al Hartley. Call it gods unconscious is not literal. None, they would still be bound to the sphere of gods. The Endless, Lucifer and his ilk have been said to be either supreme embodiments of concepts or concept creators too, so I believe in the cosmic sense they would indeed have similar functions. We are getting away from the main thread, but of course I can address each scan individually: 1st scan: Years of misconceptions that have already been debunked, as the Presence was not dead and is unlikely to be the case for less obvious reasons that I will address in a moment. So would the neccesarily reside in the Sphere of the Gods? data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAKAAAAB4CAYAAAB1ovlvAAAAAXNSR0IArs4c6QAAAnpJREFUeF7t17Fpw1AARdFv7WJN4EVcawrPJZeeR3u4kiGQkCYJaXxBHLUSPHT/AaHTvu . There is also the fact that the Presence precedes the Endless, including Death of the Endless, who are side-effects of his Creation. Idk why u think a retcon of that magnitude didnt affect the sphere, but the being responsible for it was stated to be more powerful than Darkseid( a sphere skyfather) who has affected the sphere countless times. Their opponents would necessarily believe the first. 2 Pages < 1 2 Rare's presence at Comic-Con. Prove to me this being exists by giving me a charatcer profile on DC or a being in any of Morrison's run. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/marvel-vs-dc-and-umineko-and-hadou-gods-strongest-1936520/?page=2#js-message-25804190. Its stated that until the Presence dies, the Spectre and the Radiant cant, only their HOSTS can. Unless there is a shred of evidence of what you are try to articulate, which you still fail to do so, parrtoting the same negative claim over and over about a metaphorical description within the same narrator speech you've have (mis)used on Pralaya described as "before the Creator". So, indeed, there is a clear attempt to cherry-pick and misuse the word metaphor on your part, as it goes against your view on the Presence. Paras/Parasect Appreciator: So, Rare is having a panel called "A Rare Chit Chat: Past and Future" at San Diego Comic-Con. Anyway I will try to adress this more clearly tomorrow since I am very tired and sleepy now. He doesn't. @kuuzobro this is supposed to be about how the presence is the abrahamic god, do you have any scans that prove it?? Pralaya is compared to a unconscious being that wasnt visually present at the time, thats called a metaphor. The All Mighty That's basically it. Not "claims", "evidence". You are far from being the center of my interest in this thread. The Voice Its stated by Lucifer twice and the author once that it wasnt the Presence. and u never debunked a single thing I said lol. Characters Without Pictures The Oblivion Shadow- Threat to the entire DC Metaverse which is all of dc Pyscho Pirate With Medusa Mask- Repaired the DC Multiverse, Brought back the whole DC Multiverse Una The Worm (Anu)- Created a Universe, last check: 12th September 2018 Scond List (101-200) Third List (201-300) Fourth List (301-400) Fifth List (401-500) Sixth List (501-600) Seventh List (601-700) Eighth List (701-800) all heroes with their morals and w/o prep I also add wildstorm, ver, Here is the collection of every single overpowered character in American Comics. Star Trek : Un nouveau monde trange ( Star Trek: Strange New Worlds) est une srie tlvise amricaine de science-fiction cre par Akiva Goldsman, Alex Kurtzman et Jenny Lumet. Doubles the spread of fire, doubles the damage of fire. Meaning that the same credit you are giving to Perpetua to have "created" the collective unconscious must also applies to the Presence/the Source who enabled Perpetua to achieve this. Try to make sense for once. In it we can see that the hooded figure at the top of the sketch appears to be Destiny. A list of the beings that have been stated to be nearly omnipotent during the course of the fictional continuum. Roughes just meant that Destiny does not reside over the monitor sphere. Then his world collapsed when a teenage boy, Dwight, climbed into a campus clock tower and shot dead thirteen people, claiming he was driven to do so by a hidden code in the story. - Also, This would have been validated had refined versions of the map made that alteration, but they didn't. That even god himself must fall.same squad( z, constantine, ps, bb) involved in this was also involved with the blight, sin eater, felix faust dilema. And appealing to Recton, when you have not offered a shred of evidence to support your claim, is laughable. Monitor mind is older than all, older and more powerful than Mobius who outperformed yahweh in coie. For someone asserting vehemently to be factual to the comics, using logic and many more, this has yet to be proven, lol. The conversation is all about the Multiversity Map, it is stated in the first tweet. If I were u, I would study the definitions of a couple words before misusing them again so it would save me time from having to explain u the diff between for ex; retcon and reboot . Hes not there anymore and primum mobile doesnt exist in n52, it got retcon to non-existence. Metron said the same thing talking to chronicler( omniversal being) that the beliefs of humanity is what shapes sphere gods. 2022 GAMESPOT, A FANDOM COMPANY. In fact, the only person theorizing about this issue is you. Omnipotence: Being All-Powerful and possesses unlimited almighty power above all in every sense and aspect. Note that only here does Destiny have eyes. I'll wait. those energies are only affecting dietys of the sphere. Number 1 no the books are different 2 things to note destinys book is chained to him an cannot be separated from him 2ndly the book of infinite pages tells the story of mandrakk an the monitors. Destiny was a DC character BEFORE the Vertigo imprint even was, just as Dream was. 3rd scan: Still no evidence of the Presence's death. Pralaya is just a manifestation of the void. The Presence has never actually shown us it's true form. The power to manipulate and induce death. None. @sagathelegend: Would this be the same with the Countdown Monitors as well? 0 wins (0%) 1 (7.7%) 12 wins (92.3%) Zeus Zeus GreekMyth: Is this also the case for Mandrakk as well? It was Perpetua, remember? Immortality: The Presence can't die or age. How the burden of proof falls on me when no one here have showcased said "influence" of the Endless? Les Tortues Ninja ( Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles) est un film amricain ralis par Steve Barron en 1990. three years to bear fruit. There were other Creations like Lucifer's and Elaine's that were unmade by the Presence in the Void, does not mean they were at the time superior to the Presence because of the fact that such Creations were unmade by Him. He's saying they don't always correlate. Eclipso (/ k l p s o /) is a supervillain in the DC Comics Universe. The Presence: Comics (12 results) You searched for: Title: the presence. The sum of hue in the prosthesis performs to step-up with the time of life of the lesion. In 2009, Doctor Light was ranked as IGN's 84th-greatest comic book villain of all time. He says Destiny is only metaphorically on the top. U cant even elaborate on the discussion of how ignorant u are.The fact ur asking for proof on how the presence is the Abrahamic God shows u never picked up a vertigo comic in ur life. Ur the one that needs to stop talking, especially when ur dumbass question was answered long ago :P, @yaroaim the OP of this threadyou are the ignorant one L, The Source, The Overvoid, The Presence, The Writer=God, Or as it might be, the aspects of myself through which I act. Comme son nom l'indique, la srie est base sur le personnage de Loki, issu des comics Marvel. In the Presence of Mine Enemies: 7 Years a POW in Hanoi (Comic) 1973 The, You haven't showed their area of influence getting out of the sphere of gods or out of the DC "Megaverse thought". Ok lemme explain the vertigo cosmology I little bit so first you have the infinite nothingness that is the void. DK Vine Forum > Non-Donkey Kong Universe > Non-DKU Rare Discussion. Who brought forth the New Gods? It is up to you to debunk the. @xearesay: read the first scan in which Michael asks the artist. Search a pre-defined list OR Select a range . The method varies, however; some users may halt vital biological processes or attack the soul directly. If my fav character was said/shown multiple times in canon to operate below others, I have no problem knowing that fact and would accept it. It's not just Yahweh. Destiny was never retconned into this Fate, he simply isn't him. LSB NET RSV ASV YLT DBY WEB HNV. The Presence The Presence is God within the DC Universe. No one at any point, ever thought to place Destiny where he was "supposed" to be after all these years??? It seems that those being described as Monitor fans would fall into the second camp. The character is the incarnation of the Wrath of God and the Angel of Vengeance that turned evil and was replaced by the Spectre.. This process takes no more than a few hours and we'll She lies on a highter plane of the orrey than the beings of the Sphere of Gods, but below Nil and the Overvoid. This edit will also create new pages on Comic Vine for: Until you earn 1000 points all your submissions need to be vetted by other He is probably stronger than the Endless, that is for sure. The Spectre wasn't thinking about the source here, that came later. @kuuzo: What claims have I made that are baseless? The author clearly says Destiny is not above everything and is only metaphorically above it. So if u affect the collective unconscious, u also affect the presence. Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words. He also said the Jla Dark project was a group effort and not just 1 dude writing stories. Omniscient: The Presence knows everything. He was woaved in the dreaming And anti-monitor killed concepts presence never even dreamed of. @y3kthunder: @sagathelegend:Thanks for the Twitter screenshot that clears alot of things up. Congrats, epic debunking here. There are aspects of the source amongst the old and new gods, Not the presence and ur scan dont say that. LOL. He has been named newspaper columnist of the year and is author of the award-winning audiobook Who Do I Think I Am. You are only arguing this because of that quote referencing the 90's dsipute when DC writers wanted to use DoTE as a mere aspect of Death, (assuming she was akin to Nekron or the Black Racer) not knowing that Giaman created her as the ulimate Death. https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/the-presence-dc-2268361/?page=1#js-message-25918691. The Presence is the creator of the Council of Eternity and stated himself that he was everywhere. 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