They didn't even have Peters at the beginning of the season, Mailata was still not ready (so he was an empty roster spot), DriscollandOpeta were rookies, and Herbig was only a year 2 player. Before you blame the Lions for being the Lions, take a long look at their rosters from 2011 to about 2015: a capital-g Great quarterback would have led that team much further. He's in a neighborhood with freshly benched Marcus Mariota, Daniel Jones, and Andy Dalton, three other quarterbacks with shaky offensive lines and limited firepower. Tagovailoa has been far from impressive across his first two NFL seasons. Coming out of college, Herbert was the No. During the 2020 and 2021 seasons, Herbert was much more the talk of the league. 29. optimistic that Burrow will still be the top quarterback in the 2020 draft class, . He's dangerous on all levels of the field and can be a terror on jet-sweep concepts. Yea that 2010 roster started mediocre, and then became bad when injuries started piling up. Justin Herbert is the only QB in NFL history with 30 touchdown passes in each of his first two seasons. Average QB (which is a good thing). Their loss to the 49ers was similar, as were victories over the Falcons and Cardinals, a pair of weak opponents who kept graciously giving the ball back to the Chargers until they got around to engineering late-game comebacks in low-scoring victories. Right now, which kindquality or outstandingis Justin Herbert supposed to be? Its a different three, though. Terrells 2021 season might not have had the interception numbers and flash of that Trevon Diggs had, but the way that Terrell limited production in Atlantas defense was incredibly impressive. Of course, a lot of those targets went to Mark Bavaro, who was one of the best tight ends in the league from 1986 to 1988. They were golden boys, and they hit the ground running (though Elway . J. Herbert was on the board when Washington selected pass rusher Chase Young second overall in the 2020 NFL Draft. by Mike B. On fourth-and-9, Herbert leads DeAndre Carter a yard out of bounds on a go route up the right sideline. At 6-foot-6 and 236 pounds, Herbert towers over his peers, and will. . I guess you learn something new every day! Marino threw an amazing number of interceptions? Justin Herbert has the traits of an outstanding quarterback. . Well, he was playing hurt in that game, so it doesn't count. McKinney has shown himself to be a strong starting option at free safety for the Giants, ranking in the 75th percentile of all players at the position in PFF coverage grade from deep alignments. All three positions offer known commodities with franchise-changing positional -- the kind of rare talents who really get your juices flowing as a fan of the game. Vibes? At least the Chargers are scoring lots of points. 2020 NFL Draft: What Justin Herbert, Jordan Love and other Senior Bowl QBs have at stake in Mobile . Hes an impressive route runner particularly for his size and is coming off a season where he caught 64.3% of his contested targets (second among wide receivers with at least 25 contested targets). That 2014 defense was great, but they couldn't get past the Wildcard Round because an otherwise talented offense underacheived. It's still too early to write off most players who were drafted just two years ago. Apparently, one pick higher than Herbert. Do the Patriots have a real quarterback controversy? Tagovailoa leads the league in yards per attempt and quarterback rating. The WR injuries were the only problem then - which obviously makes sense because it's not like Wentz was bad in '19: 0% DVOA throwing to guys off the street (and not the sameguys off the street) is a totally solid year. April 23, 2020, 9:35 AM. Justin Herbert may be developing into an outstanding quarterback. Time for the great young quarterback to lead a fourth-quarter comeback, right? No. Think: Miami near the end of Round 1, with their third first-rounder, as Good Morning Football megastar Peter Schrager recently suggested. Chargers team has so much talent, not only in Herbert but in Bosa, Mack, James, Allen and so on and that is being wasted away. In reply to The "Brady and the Receivers by Pat. He had unfinished business with the Ducks. And we're not going to wait for the end of the Sunday's takeocalypse to call it out. Tagovailoa checks in at 11th in EPA+CPOE (.110), 13th in adjusted EPA per play (.150) and 11th in CPOE (1.8). There have been 51 drafts since the 1970 AFL-NFL merger. They at least have some signature wins, right? Prior to the draft, New York had, This selection would have been a continuation of Miamis investment in the front seven during the 2020 offseason following the, Terrells 2021 season might not have had the interception numbers and flash of that, This might seem early for Winfield or any safety given the draft history at the position but Winfield has proven himself to be a special, well-rounded player through two seasons with the, Brown hasnt had the same kind of impact on Carolinas defensive line, and, Wide receiver wasnt a glaring need for Arizona entering the 2020 draft. The Georgia running back can do it all. and the other like a toddler in a Gundam suit. Herbert was the "built in a lab" prospect whose measurables and physical attributes aligned with the prototypical quarterback. But what about this year? Though, some debate can be had over measurables, but it's something that's obviously worked out for Cincinnati so far. It could be the start of a new rivalry between quarterbacks in the 2020 draft class. Chinn has also impressed in Carolina, raising his PFF grade from 59.0 as a rookie to 71.4 in his second season last year. The fact that no one has called out Tanier for being a Herbert hater testifies to the small number of Charger fanatics on this site. It's comforting to know in this day and age there are certain standards we can still rely on: The Raiders' ability to commit stupid penalties at the worst possible time, and the Chargers retaining their "I'll Believe It When I See It" belt for the 10th consecutive year. He'd be dreamy for the Eagles at No. Week 13 Staff Picks: Is Chris Olave Best Bet for OROY? LOS ANGELES (AP) Draft Class of 2020 alums Tua Tagovailoa and Justin Herbert are preparing to face each other for the second time and with more at stake for their respective teams. In reply to I agree with you that 2020 by Pat. But today, I'd like to concentrate on the skill positions. The 6-foot-6, 265-pound. No one wants to stand up and say "Even accounting for all the offensive line and receiver injuries, Justin Herbert has been a little disappointing this season.". I'd love to see Taylor on a team like the Patriots (picking at No. Ok, I need to check my stats more. In Va, This was Herbert's MO in college, too. Personally, I think he should be a Round 1 lock. Since entering the league, both players have performed at an extremely high level, and have proven their worth. In a world where off the field behavior wasn't an issue, you could make a real argument for a 6th team which I will leave at that. James Robinson who Jacksonville added as an undrafted free agent in 2020 has exceeded expectations, but Taylor would bring a different level of talent to the backfield, though. Cheerleading for Herbert is a solid business model. Now it has to be said that lots of spectacularly awesome college QBs go nowhere in the pros, it happens all the time. Rocket arm, hero plays, lots of luck in a flash in the pan 3/4 season, and excuses made for him left and right. Writing off Okudah as a bust is premature given the injuries he dealt with and the difficult responsibilities he was given out of the gate in Matt Patricias defense, but its safe to say Detroit would jump at the chance for a do-over. How about Football Outsiders'defense-adjusted value over average (DVOA) Here's where the QBs have finished or stand in each of their three years: Herbert's massive drop-off in 2022 contrasts starkly with the immediate ascension of Tagovailoa, who has been the league's best quarterback by DVOA by a wide margin (Patrick Mahomes is second at 26.7 percent). There might be a cap on his upside, but there is hardly a downside. Color me smitten. Those 2012-2013 teams were Stafford and Johnson and nothing else. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv4F203bv5M, In reply to Leads the league in splooshy by matter2003, \some of the highlights were for his own team. 5, QB Tua Tagovailoa, Dolphins:The Alabama product didn't have the frame that Herbert had, or the arm talent, or the hair, but he dagnabbit, he was awinner. Justin Herbert. The benefit of hindsight tells us that Lock wasnt the answer. Jefferson falling outside of the top-20 selections and into Minnesotas lap was one of the steals of the 2020 NFL Draft. Looking at the 2022 roster, he could fill KWaun Williams nickel role, where hes allowed just an 82.3 passer rating into his coverage as an explosive, bigger nickel and willing run defender. However, it wouldnt have felt right to get through 32 selections without highlighting a player who has a good case for being the. Jackson is the best one left on the board, coming off a 2021 season where he improved his PFF grade from 57.0 as a rookie to 69.3 in 2021. Yep, Herbert's my QB2 in this class. My guess is that Tagovailoa will mix a few big plays with lots of stalled drives because his offensive tackles are hurt, Herbert will do roughly the same thing for the same reasons. Overall, Herbert had an excellent college career. I am not at all certain that he is better than the young Stafford. At this point, the Raiders have turned the ball over twice deep in their own territory, but the Chargers lead just 10-0. The only downside I can see is that my beloved broncos would have to face Wilson twice every season. \Yeah, I see your 'outlier' asterisk. On the intangible level, some scouting reports criticized Herbert for being a "quiet leader," while others said he lacked the "killer instinct.". Among quarterbacks who could be called very good or better, Id say only Donovan McNabb (pre TO) and Phil Simms had worse wide receivers than Elway (pre Rod Smith), In reply to It wasnt just Reeves, it by Duff Soviet Union. Did I mention he's fast? Herbert has an ever-so-slight advantage in quarterback rating. It was lunacy that he went number one. No that's also wrong. Most completions -- 1,062 -- through the first three seasons of a career, passing former Colts quarterback Andrew Luck. Stafford led the Rams to the Super Bowl last year, of course, but it takes some enthusiastic retrofitting to suggest he was anything more than a second-quartile quarterback for the entire decade before that. He would help solidify a group up front thats been among the worst in the NFL for the Dolphins over the last several seasons. The Raiders drive 75 yards for a touchdown. New York fell in "full-bloom love" with Jones, and after Herbert opted to stay in school for another season, the Giants' plan to find a replacement for Eli Manning was accelerated. That's common for young prospects, and there's some merit to using, say, Justin Fields' highlights to support an argument that he could turn into a viable franchise cornerstone given better receivers. It's a reminder that there's a difference between being predictive when evaluating players/teams and placing the cart 500 light years ahead of the horse. In reply to It's comforting to know in by BroncFan07. 21. I don't think any quarterback this early in their career would be great in that situation. Of greater importance than was emphasized in the article: Herbert had a very good first year. Mock drafts by the end of the season had the Oregon . Dallas first-round pick (Lamb) isnt available in this exercise, so the Cowboys settle for their second-round pick in the 2020 NFL Draft. At the time, the Lions were entering the end of the Matthew Stafford era. This season, Tagovailoa is third in the league at 90.4 while Herbert is 12th at 76.4. Ah, but have we considered the receivers, the scheme, the offensive line, the economy, and all the other factors holding Herbert back? They hadn't developed yet. Quality quarterbacks are often pulled down by their circumstances. Somebody call Dana White, cause this was a brutal takedown. Sure Justin Herbert is the second-coming of Philip Rivers, but I think it's a bit disingenuous to give Tua a pass for injuries in his first two years including a broken rib without at least mentioning that Justin Herbert played through a fractured rib cartilage with anything more than a vague reference to "he was hurt." Both of those guys were big, athletic signal-callers with question marks about how they'd transition to the NFL level. Justin Herbert has been a great replacement at quarterback for the Chargers, while Joe Burrow led the Bengals to the Super Bowl, falling to the Los Angeles Rams last season. Onwenu has had an interesting first two seasons in the NFL. It would be silly to suggest otherwise. But does that mean that he deserves hosannas just for showing up? Copyright 2022 Sporting News Holdings Limited. hang out at the Football Outsiders Discord, ESPN: Best Veteran Contracts on Each Team, Playoff Previews (previously Game Previews). Having Allen, Williams and Palmer back is huge, but the offense won't be able to play to its highest potential if Herbert is not kept upright. Fulton has missed some time due to injury in both the 2020 and 2021 seasons, but he had a fairly strong showing across 14 games last year, as the second-year cornerback out of LSU allowed just a 69.6 passer rating into his coverage with two interceptions and 11 pass breakups. Wentz was bad not only relative to a unicorn 2017, he was straight-up trash. They loved him then. Funny. Hunt started at right tackle as a rookie before kicking inside to right guard in 2021. He's likely pass both before he finishes 2022. My guy Greg Cosell from NFL Films has Taylor as his top running back in the draft. Who'll win NFL MVP? Both teams trade field goals before halftime. The Chargers offensive line will be blamed. 1 option he currently is in Chicago, but he does represent a nice complementary piece to a passing attack that can stress defenses vertically. Perhaps the Dolphins needed to run the ball a little more, or their inability to do so cost them wins, especially against the Jets. Thomas was one of the more improved left tackles in the NFL last season, particularly in pass protection. One year later, Herbert is one of the premier quarterbacks in the illustrious 2020 NFL Draft class and is coming off a stellar finish to his four years . Prior to the draft, New York had Nate Solder and Cam Fleming as the top two tackles on their roster with Solder later opting out of the 2020 season. I agree with you that 2020 was a bad O-line year by Philly standard's. But he's also a unifying figure for stat nerds, film hipsters, thirst-Tweeters, draft geeks, anti-establishment doomers (never forget: Herbert was supposed to be "soft" coming out of Oregon), and anyone who doesn't want to be lumped among those who don't get it. Still, it's hard to argue against Herbert as having had the better career to this point. Of course, the Dolphins got swept by the Jets in 1988, and the 9 interceptions Marino threw in those two games mitigated the over a thousand yards he threw for. The No. But then, we knew that already. Herbert is tied for the eighth-highest pressure rate (37 percent) among qualifying quarterbacks, per PFF, while Tagovailoa ranks second at 24.2 percent, trailing only Tom Brady's 19.4 percent.. Ranked 11th in Pass Block Win Rate. There are certainly reasons to prefer Herbert over Burrow, but Burrow hasnt done anything through two NFL seasons to make Cincinnati regret its choice at the top of the 2020 NFL Draft. Given what Washington has gotten out of its quarterbacks over the last several years, taking Herbert to lead the offense becomes an easy choice in this exercise. They run three more plays before punting. The Ruiz selection was a surprise at the time the Saints made it given the strength of their offensive line. The jury is still out on Tagovailoas future in Miami entering a make-or-break 2022 season, which steers the Dolphins in a different direction with their first of three first-round picks in this re-draft. Cleveland misses out on Wirfs in this scenario, but it does get the chance to draft Thomas. After that, people can talk themselves into Tua or Prescott, but I don't think most people here believe either is better in a vacuum. He profiles as one of the bigger safeties in the league and is a tremendous athlete. Herbert finished with 335 yards but 19 incompletions and five sacks. And more speed! Four QBs from same draft class in single postseason all time. We kind of see it this year with Rodgers, but it's hard to separate what's surrounding context and what's just Father Time showing up uninvited. Los Angeles interior defensive line was one of the biggest problem areas on its roster last season. That's despiteTagovailoa missing two games with an injury and leaving another game early with a concussion. Well-informed experts believed that would happen. The Cardinals had just added, Lamb improved his PFF receiving grade from 72.6 as a rookie to 84.8 in 2021 (eighth among qualifying wide receivers) and could be in store for a massive 2022 season in, It was somewhat lost in the attention that, The Jets almost had to add a starting-caliber tackle in the 2020 NFL Draft. Herbert takes a sack at the end of the next series, forcing the Chargers to settle for a field goal. Still, the tape clearly shows that Herbert is better than his 2022 stats; I'm not some box-score scout or QB Winz philistine. I am certain Herbert is better than all of the failed prospects cited earlier in this piece. Honestly, I'll be surprised -- even disappointed -- if Jeudy doesn't go to one of these two teams. The only real difference between a 10-6 team and a 2-14 team was that Manning was QB in 2010 and not in 2011. Week 14 Staff Picks: Can Anyone in NFC Stop Eagles? What If Justin Herbert Isn't All That Great? Johnson has responded well to the No. Six Sundays into the 2022 season, Adam Schein spits truth, whether you want to believe it or not. In reply to He threw a lot period. The Chiefs got a first-hand look at the kind of impact that Davis could have when he put up over 200 receiving yards and four touchdowns against their defense in the 2021 postseason. I was on both the right and wrong sides of debates. Hes been one of the more stable pieces on the Dolphins offensive line earning PFF grades above 65.0 in both years and that positional flexibility would be intriguing for the 49ers. Will Georgia's Balanced Attack Win Another Championship? Sneed is the type of versatile defensive back who would fit nicely into San Franciscos defense. And although some draftniks believe he'll need time to marinate before taking an NFL field, I think Herbert can play right away if he has to. Elway did it six times. by mehllageman56. He's the best offensive line coach in the league. I should've also clarified that I'm not saying Herbertwould havenecessarily worked his way through issues later in his career. But even that I'm not so sure of - he did great in 2021 with the Colts. The rest he figured out at the NFL level. He's the perfect marriage of need and value for either franchise in Round 1. Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow and Los Angeles Chargers signal caller Justin Herbert were proven commodities in short order and the jury is still out on Jordan . Swift is fast, physical and an excellent receiver out of the backfield. Yahoo Sports' Liz Loza caught up with the former Oregon quarterback as he answered the questions about the . Remember when Mac Jones was basically Tom Brady*snip*, Herbert is better than all of the quarterbacks just mentioned, "Justin Herbert is better than Tom Brady" - Mike Tanier, Dec 9 2022, In reply to Remember when Mac Jones was by colonialbob. I think it's a lock that Herbert comes off the board within the first six picks on the night of April 23. Wins are not a quarterback stat. 5 pick) and Chargers (No. Aiyuk started out the 2021 season in Kyle Shanahans doghouse despite a strong rookie performance, but he was an important contributor to the 49ers offense again over the second half of the season. Outstanding quarterbacks overcome them; that's pretty much the definition of an outstanding quarterback. Stafford had a huge game, but it didn't matter because the defense stopped playing after the 1st quarter. In reply to Yup. The hype he got was certainly more than justified, but his performance this year suggests we all need to think hard about what it means. Perhaps most importantly, this draft pick would have likely kept Seattle from sending multiple first-round picks to New York for Jamal Adams a trade that has looked like a mistake in hindsight. Hes the No. So I get it. 1 and 1A between Burrow and Herbert, with Tagovailoa a fairly distant third entering his third season. 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